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PostSubject: rugged models   Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:35 pm

I'm looking to see what long guns everyone favors as their bug out rifle. We can discuss pros and cons, not looking to turn this into a debate over who likes what brands better. There is no wrong answer, different climates and conditions call for different firearms. For myself here in the heart of the heart land with our hot humid summers and our cold wet winters I would have to go with a tried and true work horse that can really take a beating from weather and rough terrain. I would have to go with the SKS as a bug out gun for myself. Proven reliability and ruggedness, easy to find replacement parts for to carry with, easy to build upon to make a rifle to suit any situation. I prefer keeping the internal 10rd magazine because I can fit three stripper clips of ten rounds in a pouch and it takes up only half the room as a 30rd magazine. It's a heavy enough round that I would feel safe using it on the hardiest of game in the area (you really don't want to make a feral hog angry) ammo is cheap, you can buy it in bulk even sealed in tins ready to be buried. It's not the lightest rifle out there but I like a rifle you can use as a club and still be able to fire Very Happy
Just my thoughts. I'm looking forward to hearing from others, maybe even have my mind changed, I mean the worst that could happen is...heaven forbid...I feel the need to buy another firearm Smile
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:55 pm

I know everyone is going to think i'm crazy but i have never cared much for the semi's like the ar-15 or the sks.I have always hade the one shot one kill theory.It may not be everybody's cup of tea but i like the win.30-30 because it is easy to use in the brush and has good knock down power even at up to 300 yds.the other one i like is the win.22mag.it is light and i can carry a lot more rounds.Iwould however not ever try it out on anything big.i have knocked coyotes down at 15 yds with it.To each his own but the 30-30 works for me and am comfortable with it.Had to carry an m-16 in the army and the air force and never much cared for them.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:10 pm

I'm totally with you on the whole AR/m16 dislike. A good bolt action is a wonderful thing
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:21 pm

A one shot one kill rifle, with crazy durability to boot? Thats easy, a Swiss K-31, there fairly cheap and so is the ammo, Hitler feared it and it's swiss, good enough for me! tongue Grab one of those and strap an AK-47 to ur back and ur ready for damn near anything!
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:38 pm

Something about those those old rifles, they are rugged, accurate and will be around long after some fancy show piece rifle has broken. Now the m16 and m4 are great battle rifles don't get me wrong but they aren't made to stored for long periods of time or to last as long as those old rifles. Hell even with the M16 I was much more fond of carrying the A2 rather than the A4 or even the M4 they issued me later. Not to mention the price, I can buy 5 Mossin Nagants, 2 or 3 SKS, or 3 or 4 K 31s in good functioning battle ready condition for the price of a singe decent AR.
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PostSubject: my survival rifle   Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:50 pm

I have a '98 Mauser from WWII that has been handed down from the Grandfather. Still has all the German markings and nazi symbols. It has been scoped and made into a sporter model. Shoots the 8 mm round (7.92 x 57 I believe). The thing is rugged as hell, never fails to shoot regardless of weather and is stupid accurate and can knock down anything. I bought several hunderd surplus rounds a few years ago and they are in bandoliers. I will take the SK and the 500 Mossburg as well.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:56 am

Take yer' Pick



Ruger Mini-14 .223cal
Mossberg #500C 12-Gauge
Guger #1022 .22cal L.R.
Mosin-Nagant M1944 7.62x54R bolt Rifle
Ruger #77 .338 Win Mag Bolt Rifle
Remington #870 12-Gauge Shotgun
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:13 am

a huge fan of the mini 14 carbine there, love the m44, I'm all about extended magazine tubes on a good 12ga what is that now 8+1 for 2 3/4 shells on a 20in? can't say it enough that everyone should have a .22 such a versitile round. Just curious I can see why no bayonet on the nagant but why did you choose to remove the wood on the fore end? Not to familiar with the win .338 what can you tell me about it?
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:12 am

Well I think it will really depend on the situation. I bug primarily with an AR-15 but I also have my bolt gun in a drag bag attached to my gear. Each has it pros and cons but the situation will dictate the response.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:29 pm

1stmardiv wrote:
a huge fan of the mini 14 carbine there, love the m44, I'm all about extended magazine tubes on a good 12ga what is that now 8+1 for 2 3/4 shells on a 20in? can't say it enough that everyone should have a .22 such a versitile round. Just curious I can see why no bayonet on the nagant but why did you choose to remove the wood on the fore end? Not to familiar with the win .338 what can you tell me about it?
Im also a big fan of the mini-14 and not a fan of the ar-15.I also own 2 ak-47 varients.If you want a great 12 gauge that is highly buildable and rugged as hell with high capacity......Get an Ishmash(russian)Saiga-12.Its an auto loader built on an AK-74 platform I have 8/10/12 rd mags and 2 20rd drums.This gun is one nasty son of a bitch and loads faster than a Benelli for less than half the price.I paid $469.00 and put a couple hundred customizing it.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:56 pm

The saiga is a great shotgun I love mine
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:42 pm

I've been looking pretty hard at the Henry AR-7 survival rifle. Does anyone own one that can give me their opinion on them, they look really sweet on paper but I just want some actual field experience reports before i purchase one.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:10 pm

Depends on how fast and far I have to bug out. I have all the weaponry I believe I'd need to take a stand right in my area. Of course that's surmising they send less than a platoon of Rangers at me. Would hate to have to leave this vicinity of purty much like minded folks and the food reserve is pretty much endless with herds of cattle out my front and back doors and a grain elevator in striking distance, it'd be insanity for me to venture far. As to the weaponry, a good hunting shotgun, a riot shotgun, a long range 300 win.mag and 2 H+K 91's and a sidearm for my whole family, I'm thinking I'm pretty well set survival wise.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:24 pm

Just found a Saiga for dirt cheap and am negotiating for a type M SKS (they accept standard AK magazines)
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:18 am

1stmardiv wrote:
a huge fan of the mini 14 carbine there, love the m44, I'm all about extended magazine tubes on a good 12ga what is that now 8+1 for 2 3/4 shells on a 20in? can't say it enough that everyone should have a .22 such a versitile round. Just curious I can see why no bayonet on the nagant but why did you choose to remove the wood on the fore end? Not to familiar with the win .338 what can you tell me about it?

I took the "Pig Sticker" off the MOsin, as well as the forearm--to reduce the weight, and to make it easier to carry in the scabbard. Reblued everything, tightened down all the screws and bolrs, and it's ready to go. The short pull makes it easy to bring aorund, and the devastating downrange energy will even kock down a grizzly bear, say nothing of a two legged grizzly.

.338 Win Mag is a good all around caliber for large game hunting, and bear stopping--here in Alaska. Bullets are kinda pricey, but it's such a kick-ass- rifle, that living here in the boonies its almost a requirement.

Mimi-14 is a great rifle, but almost worthless here in the boonies. The round is to small to use as a predatory animal protection round.

I prefer the old proven battle rifle of the bolt action variety. More stopping power, smooth action, lightweight carry rifle, and hell on wheels when it comes to precision shooting.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:18 am

1stmardiv wrote:
The saiga is a great shotgun I love mine

I just saw one of those--is that magazine fed shotgun your talking about?
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:26 am

sure is they make 5, 8, 10, and 12 round magazines and 20rd drums for them.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:17 am

Well as my main combat weapon i have my WASR 10 which im sure you all know is an AK variant. I have my 300 winmag to hunt and reach out to touch someone if need be. Then there is my marlin 22 i like to plink around with, its a tube fed gun with a 12 round capacity and its dead accurate. Finally my last rifle is my k98 mauser which i just love. But i bought some surplus ammo and thats all ive ever shot out of it. The ammo is iether got bad primers from sitting to long or i need to fix my firing pin cause only about half the ammo fires. You can also smell that its old ammo from the residue left behind after a round is fired. Any ideas guys?
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:58 am

[quote="AkWolf" The ammo is iether got bad primers from sitting to long or i need to fix my firing pin cause only about half the ammo fires. You can also smell that its old ammo from the residue left behind after a round is fired. Any ideas guys?[/quote]

1st look at the fired rounds and see what the indention looks like, if it is lite it either a headspace issue, worn pin or spring. Worn pin ans spring both are easy fixes takes about 5 minutes, head space not so.

A cheap and easy way to check head space is to take an unloaded/unfired round and bolt it home, after each bolting put a piece of tape on the head, trim and try again. At one point the bolt will not close easily this is where your head space is set. Measure the tape and it will tell you what if any your headspace is. If it is excessive then the round is being held only by the extractor, not good.

If everything passes these test It is the ammo without a shadow of a doubt.

Also one thing that you need to make absolutely sure of is that there is no debris on the bolt body and no grease on the firing pin or spring. It will slow it down and cause misfires.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:25 pm

Depending on your area of operation, I think a good side arm and a pump shotgun.
Magizne fed rifles and shot guns, you have to have support gear.

Survival and fighting firearm may become the same. shot gun are limited to range.
But are great for hunting and defensive situation. Different types of ammo.
12 ga. Is THE most common round out there.

By the way Iam an AK guy, I was just takeing the common sence approach.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:43 pm

If we are talking straight survival rifle...where's the love for the .22LR?

If I was to be out in the bush, ideally I'd want an over/under .22LR/.223-5.56.

I'm not worried about fending off a horde of grizzlies, I am talking about just the basics of safety and feeding my face.

The .223/12ga combo wouldn't be bad...but carrying sufficient ammo would be a PITA.

Guess I am old fashioned, but that little .22LR is one mean mother when it comes to simply dropping calories to consume.

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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:13 pm

OK, I have an AR-7 Explorer. An original from Armalite made in Costa Mesa Kalifornia. It has the brownish camo patern. Kinda looks alot like Multicam. I have had this rifle since 1974. It is in great condition. Acuracy is not bad at all. It fits in my backpack and does not take up a whole lot of room. Shoots 22 LR. Has a seven round magazine and yes everything does fit in the buttstock. Putting it together is very simple. You pull the buttplate off take out the reciever barrel and magazine. Then screw the reciever to the stock. Then take the barrel and screw it onto the reciever. Then insert your magazine. Can be put together in 30 seconds. I know cause I just did it. You can also get extra magazines for it from Sportsmansguide.com . Extra mags are Charter Arms AR 7 eight round magazines for $14.97.
When the rifle gets dirty it does not like cheap ammo. I'm talking bolt all gummed up. I have on many occasions taken the rifle reciever completly apart. Just do it slow and look how things are laid inside.
This is a short rifle. Shorter than a Ruger 10/22. I am 5'8" tall and it fits me fine. My wife really likes this rifle. She can regularly pick off bottle caps with this rifle at 25 yards. No kick even though it is very light. And for some reason seems to be a little bit quieter than most 22 rifles. Rear site is adjustible for distance using a screw. Unscrew the screw and then raise or lower the rear sight then tighten the screw back up. For more information you can go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-7
I hope I have been of some help. Oh yeah almost forgot. This rifle does float.
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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:17 pm

Outstanding!

I've felt for a long time that where "survival" in it's literal sense in concerned, the .22 is likely one of the best guns you can have. You can carry 1k rounds without much fatigue. They are robust, easy to clean and maintain...and relatively cost effective!

Thanks for the .22 love man! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: rugged models   Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:17 am

as far as "rugged" goes, you want a firearm that you know, and know how to maintain, revolvers, partiicularly the 357, and break actions are a great bet on "rugged" have a simple gun, and have extra of the few parts it does have.

"bug out" gun...if i was bugging out id hope to have more than one gun. how many armed friendlies are there?, do i have to appear not armed? show of force....something to be said about that too, when and where its needed.

If i were to bug out on foot, alone, I would want to have several guns, I would want a primary, of take your pick of assault rifles, or a pistol cal long gun may be for you. aint nothing wrong with a lever action 357, or a keltek sub2K. with this gun, you will look like a combatant, weather in your hands, hanging on its sling, or on your pack. so may need to be cached. so you will need a sidearm, i recomend 2. id like to point out the 7.62Tok as an honerable mention here, its basically a 30 automag, its an 85gr bullet going at 1500-1700 fps. Hows that go? "maintains trajectory when confrunted with obstacles"......literaly take you pick of any 2 pistols. they should be easy for you to shoot, and within your comfort level. I would also want to have a break action 12ga, with nice long rifled adapter tubes, for 22lr/short, .38/357, 9mm, .40, .45LC/.410, and .223., cheap, relaible, breaks in half to pack, fires a wide range of things, it is single shot, but is not a "defensive" wep..per say., or take your pick of other available packable long guns

so i guess in summary 1 primary carry, loaded to the gills with sidearms, and a packed long gun. the more important question, is why are you leaving, and what is it you are leaving to do? where are you? and when? and whats going on around you?

by my back door I have an evasion kit (22lr rifle/pistol). In my truck I have a evasion kit (223,357,12ga), and "sustainment" supplies. in my garage I have supplies ready to be loaded into truck, a cache at work, and at a few others houses. so "bugging out" comes in many flavors.

a "large cache" of firearms, say 20+ never hurt. arming the block....or 20 of your closest friends....id like to bug out with 100 mosins please. spam can for each

a suppressed 22lr, and an M1 garand worked great for the native alaskans in WW2

aint nothing wrong with any gun, or cal, as long as its comfortable, and available, and you have balanced capabilities, wanna have a 17HMR primary? (great for small game) go for it, but you better have a back up with more stopping power (specially when your threat is other people, and bears) or the FN 5.7, its a small capable little round, everything is a quid pro quo. on many factors. even pellet guns have there place. as well as sling shots

if i had to say "best all around survival, evasion, resistance gun EVER, id have to me my main man Mr. AR suppressed with a nice 3-9x40.... you can hunt small and large game with it, and it can be used to deploy defensive, and offensive tactics effectivly. small round good accuracy, quiet, small platform. 10/22 shines on the budget side, and the AK shines if your in a warzone. but you must have a back up sidearm first
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